Neo-Lacanian Developmental Structures: Quick Reference
What the heck is this guy talking about?
Neo-Lacanian structures is a developmental theory of the self, based on Jacques Lacan’s original psychoanalytic structures of Psychosis, Neurosis, and Perversion. Originally, these structures were a way to “diagnose” someone in order to guide psychoanalytic therapy. I’m proposing, more than that, they can be a useful framework of self-understanding.
Disclaimer: much of this post was generated from my notes with the help of Claude.
Structures at a glance
Most people fall into one of the first four structures:
Detached
The Detached structure emerges from the earliest attachment stage (0-3 months) and is characterized by experiencing the world as perpetually new and unfamiliar. These individuals rely on splitting as their primary defense mechanism, struggling to maintain a stable sense of reality or form lasting emotional attachments. When overwhelmed, they experience derealization - a profound sense of unreality or disconnection from the world.
The primary challenge of Detached structure is learning to maintain a consistent connection to reality and develop stable attachments.
Psychotic
The Psychotic structure, corresponding to the mirror stage (3-18 months), develops a strong relationship with the "Big Other" - the symbolic order of society. These individuals often focus on unity and cycles, embracing alternative ways of knowing and feeling deeply connected to larger systems or organizations. They use foreclosure (putting something behind a permanent barrier to make in inaccessible) to manage their experiences, and their primary crisis manifests as depression (profound meaninglessness).
The primary challenge of Psychotic structure is developing a stable sense of self and establishing boundaries between themselves and others/the world.
Neurotic
The Neurotic structure emerges during the labyrinth stage (18-36 months) and is marked by an intense focus on social rules and "being good." These individuals use repression (hiding something in the unconscious but keeping it accessible if needed) as their defense mechanism, maintaining a clear division between conscious and unconscious awareness. They're highly attuned to social harmony and relationships, though often from an egocentric perspective, and their primary crisis manifests as anxiety (existential anxiety about impossibility of being “good enough”).
The primary challenge of Neurotic structure is learning to balance their own needs with social demands without becoming overwhelmed by anxiety about potential consequences.
Perverse
The Perverse structure, developing during the dialectical stage (3-8 years), is characterized by the ability to hold contradictory ideas simultaneously through disavowal (refusal to admit something, in order to maintain productive contradictions between opposing things). These individuals maintain a playful relationship with rules and boundaries while holding a strong sense of fairness and ethics. Their primary crisis involves jouissance - an overwhelming sense of enjoyment that can become unbearable. They often approach life through a process of "failing forward," constantly testing and adjusting their approach.
The primary challenge of Perverse structure is learning to hold contradictions without becoming overwhelmed by the intensity of experience.
Phases
Everyone is born into the Detached structure, and you progress through each phase in sequence: Autistic → Histrionic/Schizoid → Borderline/Antisocial → Derealization, Bipolar → Dissociative/Narcissistic → etc.
The liminal and postliminal phases have a “feminine” and “masculine” variant (such as Borderline and Antisocial, respectively), where one will take precedence in a given phase. It’s not strongly tied to the individual’s gender and can switch back and forth as one progresses.
You get “stuck” at the structure and phase at which your patterns of thought & behaviour are adaptive to your environment. Your initial growth is limited by how your environment and caregivers support you.
(Pre/Post)Liminal
“Liminal” refers to the middle phase in a structure. It’s at the boundary between crises. Surrounding liminal are the “preliminal” and “postliminal” phases:
Preliminal: Expanding. You have just discovered the new paradigm of your structure, so you are scattered, all over the place in terms of your thoughts, feelings, and behaviour. Lack of consistency and focus, like dancing on hot coals, trying to avoid your structure’s symptom. For example, Bipolar is the preliminal Psychotic phase: you switch frequently between the poles of mania and depression.
Liminal: Expanded. You are midway through the process of discovering and playing with the space of your structure’s paradigm. You haven’t quite mastered it, but you are willing to test your limits to find out what is possible.
Postliminal: Contracting/coalescing. You’ve mastered your structure’s paradigm and are actively exploiting it to your advantage. More organized and controlled.
Crisis: Contracted/coalesced. You are at the peak of your competence at your structure’s paradigm, but this is paired with a feeling like there is nothing left to gain. There’s nothing left to exploit, so all that’s left is the symptom. You might appear confident and self-assured, but at the same time troubled and lost in thought.
What’s special about this theory?
It’s non-pathologizing. Either everyone is normal or no one is normal. There’s no such thing as “mental illness” because it’s not a healing-healed frame. Everyone is a process in development.
It works at a more fundamental than other theories like Kegan’s constructive-developmentalism. You might declare that you skipped Kegan’s stage 3 and assess yourself at stage 4, but then find yourself in the Detached structure. Lacanian structures aren’t just about the ego, they’re fundamentally about the architecture of how energy and information flow through your nervous system, and patterns of ego/personality that emerge from that.
Sequence of structures and phases
Let’s jump into details about each phase in sequence:
Preliminal Detachment: Autistic
Key Characteristics:
Most basic form of splitting - awareness collapses around single points of focus
Difficulty integrating sensory experiences into a coherent whole
Strong attachment to specific objects, routines, or interests
World experienced as a series of disconnected moments/fragments
Limited awareness of or interest in social connections
Reality perceived primarily through concrete, immediate experiences
Information Processing:
Splitting manifests as intense focus on one thing at a time
When attention shifts, previous object of focus essentially ceases to exist
Difficulty maintaining multiple perspectives or pieces of information simultaneously
Very literal interpretation of information
Struggle with abstract concepts or symbolic meaning
Processing happens in a point-by-point manner rather than holistically
Behavioral Patterns:
May avoid eye contact (eye contact requires integrating too much social information)
Repetitive movements or behaviors (stimming)
Strong preferences for sameness and routine
Intense reactions to sensory stimuli
Special interests pursued with singular focus
May appear oblivious to social cues or conventions
Relationship to World:
Objects and experiences either fully present or completely absent
Limited sense of continuous self across time
People often treated similarly to objects
Difficulty understanding that others have different perspectives
World experienced as a series of intense, immediate moments
Struggle with change or transitions
Core Challenge:
Basic task of creating stable connections between experiences
Learning to maintain awareness of things even when not directly focusing on them
Beginning to develop a more continuous sense of self and reality
This phase represents the most fundamental encounter with the challenge of the Detached structure - establishing basic continuity of experience. It's like trying to build a foundation for reality itself, piece by piece.
A key difference from later Detached phases is that there isn't yet even an awareness that something is missing or that reality could be different - it's a very immediate, present-focused way of being.
Liminal Detachment: Histrionic/Schizoid
Histrionic (Feminine):
More socially oriented but in a superficial, performative way
Uses charm and mirroring to navigate social situations
"Tries on" different personalities/behaviors to see what works
Emotions are intense but shallow and quickly shifting
Seeks attention but without deep attachment
More animated and externally focused
Splitting manifests as rapidly shifting between different social personas
May appear flirtatious or overly dramatic
Schizoid (Masculine):
More internally oriented and withdrawn
Uses emotional distance and detachment as protection
Maintains rigid boundaries between self and others
Emotions are muted or appear absent
Avoids attention and social engagement
More reserved and internally focused
Splitting manifests as strict separation between inner/outer worlds
May appear cold or aloof
Both variants share:
Fundamental belief that others' behavior is largely immutable
Difficulty forming genuine attachments
Use of splitting as primary defense
Lack of stable identity
Problems with emotional regulation
Struggle with genuine intimacy
The complementarity emerges in how they manage their detachment:
Histrionics manage through active engagement but without depth
Schizoids manage through active withdrawal and distance
For example:
A Histrionic might attend every social event but never form real connections
A Schizoid might avoid social events entirely while maintaining rich inner fantasy life
Both represent different strategies for dealing with the same core challenge of attachment, but take opposite approaches aligned with feminine (engaging/performing) and masculine (withdrawing/observing) orientations.
This liminal phase shows more sophisticated use of splitting than the Autistic phase, but hasn't yet developed the more complex relationship patterns seen in the Borderline/Antisocial postliminal phase.
Postliminal Detachment: Borderline/Antisocial
Borderline (Feminine):
Oriented toward relationships and emotional connections
Approaches relationships through a lens of attachment and abandonment
More likely to turn emotions inward or engage in self-harm when threatened
Tends to be volatile and unstable in their worldview
Views others primarily through emotional impact/meaning
Uses splitting to categorize others as all-good or all-bad
Struggles with emotional regulation and boundaries
Antisocial (Masculine):
Oriented toward rules, systems, and principles
Approaches relationships through a lens of control and power dynamics
More likely to act aggressively outward when threatened
Tends to be rigid and inflexible in their worldview
Views others primarily as means to an end
Uses splitting to create clear delineations between right/wrong, useful/useless
Maintains emotional distance as a defense mechanism
The complementarity emerges from how they each represent different responses to the core challenge of the Detached structure - establishing stable relationships with others while lacking the psychological framework for genuine attachment. The antisocial pattern takes a controlling, systematic approach focused on rules and power, while the borderline pattern takes an emotional, relational approach focused on managing abandonment fears.
Both use splitting as their primary defense mechanism, but direct it differently - antisocials split the world into useful/not useful categories, while borderlines split relationships into idealization/devaluation. Neither can fully integrate a stable sense of self or others, but they manifest this instability in complementary ways aligned with masculine/feminine polarities.
Crisis Detachment: Derealization
Derealization:
The core symptom of the Detached structure
Characterized by a profound sense of disconnection from reality
The world feels unreal, dreamlike, or distant
Difficulty distinguishing between internal and external experiences
May feel like an outside observer of one's own thoughts and actions
Often accompanied by a sense of emotional numbness
Key aspects of the Derealization crisis:
Collapse of splitting:
Splitting, the primary defense mechanism of the Detached structure, begins to break down
The clear delineations between "in my world" and "not in my world" become blurred
Overwhelming sensory input:
Unable to effectively filter or prioritize sensory information
Everything may seem equally significant or insignificant
Can lead to sensory overload and shutdown
Loss of stable identity:
Difficulty maintaining a consistent sense of self across time and situations
May feel like a different person from moment to moment
Temporal distortion:
Time may feel sped up, slowed down, or discontinuous
Difficulty connecting past, present, and future experiences
Existential questioning:
May grapple with fundamental questions about reality and existence
"Is any of this real?" "Am I real?"
Depersonalization:
Often occurs alongside derealization
Feeling detached from one's own body, thoughts, or emotions
This crisis phase represents the ultimate challenge of the Detached structure - the complete breakdown of the ability to create a stable, coherent reality. It's as if the fragmented, point-like experience of the world that characterizes the Detached structure has reached its limit, and the individual can no longer maintain even the illusion of a consistent reality.
For a Detached individual, this crisis can be both terrifying and potentially transformative. It may push them towards developing the more complex reality-testing abilities of the Psychotic structure, as they search for ways to rebuild a sense of coherent reality.
An example of how someone in this phase might describe their experience: "Everything feels like a dream. I'm not sure if I'm really here or if any of this is happening. It's like I'm watching a movie of my life, but I can't tell if I'm the actor or the audience."
This crisis phase is particularly challenging because the primary coping mechanism (splitting) is no longer effective, leaving the individual without their usual tools for managing their experience of reality.
Preliminal Psychosis: Bipolar
Bipolar:
Characterized by extreme mood swings between manic and depressive states
Represents the initial encounter with the mirror stage and formation of ego
Oscillates between grandiose self-inflation and crushing self-deflation
Manic phase:
Feels invincible, special, "on top of the world"
Excessive energy, reduced need for sleep
Rapid thoughts and speech
Impulsive behavior, often with negative consequences
Grandiose ideas and plans
Heightened creativity and productivity
Depressive phase:
Feels worthless, hopeless, empty
Low energy, excessive sleep
Slowed thoughts and speech
Withdrawal from activities and relationships
Self-critical thoughts
Lack of motivation and productivity
The Bipolar phase represents the instability of the newly forming ego in the Psychotic structure. It's like the person is bouncing between total identification with the ideal image (mania) and total alienation from it (depression). This oscillation is a preliminary attempt to establish a stable self-image, but without the ability to integrate these extreme states.
In Lacanian terms, we might say that the manic phase represents an over-identification with the Imaginary (the realm of images and ideals), while the depressive phase represents a collapse into the Real (the realm of raw, unmediated experience).
The Bipolar phase sets the stage for the later Psychotic phases. The extreme states experienced here will be somewhat stabilized in the Narcissistic/Dissociative phases, and then given meaning/interpretation in the Paranoid/Schizophrenic phases.
It's worth noting that this Bipolar phase doesn't necessarily correspond directly to clinical Bipolar Disorder, although there can be overlap. In the context of this developmental theory, it represents a structural position rather than a specific diagnosis.
Liminal Psychosis: Dissociative/Narcissistic
Dissociative (Feminine):
Strongly identified with merging/blending with others and the environment
Absorbs and reflects qualities of those around them
Seeks to understand and empathize deeply with others
Often claims to be an "empath" who can feel others' emotions
Foreclosure focused on establishing connections/resonance
Experiences reality through the lens of universal oneness
More focused on dissolving boundaries and becoming one with others
May join existing cults/movements rather than starting their own
Narcissistic (Masculine):
Strongly identified with their individual organs/parts/qualities as special and unique
Projects a grandiose self-image outward into the world
Seeks to be seen, recognized, and admired
Names and claims things as "mine" - putting their name on everything
Foreclosure focused on establishing clear ownership/authorship
Experiences reality through the lens of personal greatness
More focused on standing out and being different from others
May develop a "cult of personality" around themselves
The complementarity emerges from how they each represent different responses to the mirror stage and development of ego in the Psychotic structure. The narcissistic pattern emphasizes individual differentiation and uniqueness, while the dissociative pattern emphasizes merger and unity. Both are attempting to establish a stable sense of self through the imaginary register, but take opposite approaches.
Both use foreclosure as their defense mechanism, but direct it differently - narcissists foreclose to establish firm boundaries around their specialness, while dissociatives foreclose to enable deeper merger with others. Neither has fully integrated symbolic functioning, but they manifest this through complementary strategies aligned with masculine/feminine polarities.
Both patterns still fundamentally relate to the mirror stage and establishment of ego - they just take opposing approaches to this developmental task. The narcissist sees themselves reflected everywhere and claims those reflections, while the dissociative dissolves into the reflections themselves.
Postliminal Psychosis: Paranoid/Schizophrenic
Paranoid (Feminine):
Feels the world/Big Other is specifically targeting them
Perceives hidden meanings directed against them
"They're all out to get me"
More focused on external threats/persecution
Hypervigilant about others' intentions
May collect "evidence" of conspiracies against them
Experiences reality as hostile but meaningful
More likely to defend/protect against perceived threats
May develop elaborate systems to stay "safe"
Schizophrenic (Masculine):
Feels they're receiving special messages from the world/Big Other
Perceives hidden meanings meant specially for them
"I'm being chosen/guided by higher forces"
More focused on internal revelations/insights
Hypervigilant about signs and symbols
May collect "evidence" of special significance
Experiences reality as mysterious but meaningful
More likely to pursue/explore perceived messages
May develop elaborate systems to understand "truth"
The complementarity emerges in how they each relate to the Big Other in the final phase of Psychosis. Both see hidden meanings everywhere, but the Paranoid experiences these as threatening while the Schizophrenic experiences them as enlightening. They're two sides of the same coin - the Paranoid sees persecution where the Schizophrenic sees revelation.
Both are trying to make sense of their special relationship with reality/the Big Other, but take opposite approaches aligned with feminine (defensive/protective) and masculine (pursuing/penetrating) orientations. Neither has fully integrated into normal social reality, but they maintain their separation through complementary strategies.
A Paranoid might say "The government is sending me coded threats through license plate numbers," while a Schizophrenic might say "The universe is sending me coded wisdom through license plate numbers." The structure is the same, but the interpretation and response are opposite.
Crisis Psychosis: Depression
Core Characteristics:
Profound sense of emptiness and meaninglessness
Loss of connection to the grandiose/special self-image
Collapse of foreclosure as a defense mechanism
Deep feeling of being cut off from the Big Other
Awareness that reality isn't matching their internal narrative
Key Manifestations:
Unlike earlier structures' experience of "depression":
Not just emotional numbness (Detached)
Not temporary sadness
But a fundamental crisis of meaning and identity
Loss of the sense of special connection to reality
Painful awareness of the gap between ideal and actual self
Feeling that previously meaningful synchronicities/signs have gone silent
Crisis of the mirror stage - reflection no longer confirms identity
Different from Clinical Depression:
More existential in nature
Specifically about loss of special meaning/connection
Related to collapse of Psychotic structure's way of making meaning
Can occur even while maintaining daily functions
Examples of Experience:
"The world used to speak to me, now it's just silent"
"I thought I was special/chosen, but I'm actually nobody"
"None of it meant anything after all"
"The mirror shows a stranger"
"I've lost my connection to the universe"
This crisis represents:
The ultimate challenge of the Psychotic structure
Potential bridge to Neurotic structure
Confrontation with limitations of foreclosure
Need for new ways of making meaning
The depression here isn't just emotional, but a fundamental crisis of the Psychotic's way of relating to reality. It's as if the mirror that showed them their special reflection has shattered, forcing them to confront a more ordinary existence.
This crisis can be transformative, potentially leading to:
More grounded relationship with reality
Development of more stable identity
Movement toward Neurotic structure's ways of making meaning
Integration of more realistic self-image
Preliminal Neurosis: Avoidant
Core Characteristics:
First encounter with anxiety as fundamental experience
Beginning to develop repression as defense mechanism
Emerging awareness of social expectations and judgment
Initial attempts to regulate behavior based on "shoulds"
Still unstable and reactive in managing anxiety
Key Manifestations:
Tendency to retreat from challenging situations
Pattern of avoiding rather than confronting difficulties
Strong desire to please others but unsure how
Intense discomfort with social scrutiny
Hesitation before acting or speaking
Fear of making mistakes or being judged
Behavioral Patterns:
May physically remove themselves from anxiety-provoking situations
Difficulty initiating social interactions
Procrastination as avoidance strategy
Self-protective behaviors
Risk aversion
Careful observation of others to learn "correct" behavior
Relationship to Anxiety:
Unlike earlier structures:
Not derealization (Detached)
Not depression (Psychotic)
But genuine anxiety about social performance and judgment
Learning to use repression but not yet skilled at it
Anxiety feels overwhelming and hard to manage
May still resort to physical avoidance rather than psychological repression
Development of Superego:
Beginning to internalize social norms
Emerging sense of "right" and "wrong" behavior
Growing awareness of others' expectations
Starting to develop internal "rules" for behavior
But rules are still crude and inflexible
Example Experience:
"I better not try that, I might do it wrong"
"Everyone will laugh at me if I speak up"
"I'll just stay home where it's safe"
"I need to figure out the right way to act first"
This phase represents:
Initial encounter with neurotic structure's core challenges
Learning to navigate social expectations
Beginning to develop more complex psychological defenses
Foundation for later neurotic development
The Avoidant phase is like the first attempt to handle the neurotic challenge of anxiety - through simple avoidance rather than the more sophisticated strategies developed in later phases.
Liminal Neurosis: Phobic/Stress
Phobic (Feminine):
Characterized by specific, intense fears
Avoids particular objects, situations, or experiences
Anxiety is focused and externalized
May develop elaborate rituals to manage fears
Often aware their fear is "irrational" but feels unable to control it
Tends to restrict their world to avoid triggers
Uses repression to manage anxiety by avoiding feared objects/situations
Stress (Masculine):
Characterized by generalized, persistent worry
Anxious about multiple aspects of life (work, health, relationships, etc.)
Anxiety is diffuse and internalized
May develop rigid routines to maintain control
Often feels constantly "on edge" or unable to relax
Tends to push through anxiety, often leading to burnout
Uses repression to manage anxiety by compartmentalizing or "pushing through"
Both variants represent different approaches to managing the core Neurotic challenge of anxiety:
Phobics concentrate their anxiety onto specific external objects/situations, allowing them to feel more in control by avoiding these triggers.
Stress types distribute their anxiety across many areas of life, attempting to control everything to prevent any potential threat.
The complementarity emerges in how they each employ repression as a defense mechanism:
Phobics repress by avoiding and cordoning off specific fears
Stress types repress by trying to control and manage all potential sources of anxiety
Both are attempting to establish a sense of safety and control in response to the awareness of lack (castration in Lacanian terms) that characterizes the Neurotic structure. However, they take different approaches aligned with feminine (avoidance/protection) and masculine (confrontation/control) orientations.
A Phobic might say "I can't go outside because I might see a spider," while a Stress type might say "I need to check everything ten times to make sure nothing bad happens." Both are attempts to manage anxiety, but through opposite strategies.
This liminal phase represents a more stable attempt to manage anxiety compared to the preliminal Avoidant phase, but still lacks the more complex strategies developed in the postliminal Hysteric/Obsessional phases.
Postliminal Neurosis: Hysteric/Obsessional
Hysteric (Feminine):
Masters anxiety through performance and dramatization
Constantly seeking validation from others
Questions & challenges authority while simultaneously seeking its approval
"What do you want me to be?"
Expert at repressing/revealing selectively for effect
Uses symptoms/complaints to communicate indirectly
Identity organized around being desired/wanted
More fluid and adaptive in social situations
May appear dramatic or attention-seeking
Skilled at reading and manipulating social dynamics
Obsessional (Masculine):
Masters anxiety through control and systematization
Seeks certainty through rules and order
Strong adherence to principles and moral codes
"Everything must be done correctly"
Expert at repressing through rationalization and rules
Uses logic/reason to maintain control
Identity organized around being right/correct
More rigid and structured in social situations
May appear controlling or perfectionist
Skilled at creating and maintaining systems
Both share:
Sophisticated use of repression
High awareness of social expectations
Complex relationship with authority
Mastery of neurotic anxiety
Strong superego development
Concern with doing things "right"
The complementarity emerges in how they manage their anxiety:
Hysterics through fluid adaptation and performance
Obsessionals through rigid control and systematization
Example situations:
A Hysteric might manage workplace anxiety by becoming whatever their boss seems to want
An Obsessional might manage workplace anxiety by creating perfect systems and procedures
This postliminal phase represents the most sophisticated manifestation of neurotic structure, with full development of repression as a defense mechanism and complex strategies for managing anxiety. Unlike earlier phases, they're not overwhelmed by anxiety but have learned to use it productively.
Crisis Neurosis: Anxiety
Core Characteristics:
Culmination of neurotic anxiety
Repression starts to break down
Deep awareness of fundamental lack/incompleteness
Can't find "right" way to be despite best efforts
Overwhelming sense that something is wrong/missing
Crisis of meaning within social/moral framework
Key Manifestations:
Different from earlier structures' experience of "anxiety":
Not derealization (Detached)
Not meaninglessness (Psychotic)
But existential anxiety about impossibility of being "good enough"
Repressed content begins breaking through
Rules/systems no longer provide security
Social performance feels increasingly impossible
Awareness that no amount of effort will resolve core lack
Types of Anxiety Experience:
Social: "No matter what I do, I can't meet others' expectations"
Moral: "Being good is impossible - every solution creates new problems"
Existential: "Something is fundamentally wrong and I can't fix it"
Physical: Panic attacks, physical symptoms
Performance: "I'm going to fail no matter how hard I try"
This crisis represents:
Ultimate failure of repression as defense
Recognition that being "good" is impossible
Potential bridge to Perverse structure
Need for new way of relating to lack/desire
Key Difference from Regular Neurotic Anxiety:
Not about specific fears or situations
But about the fundamental impossibility of the neurotic project
Recognition that perfect social/moral adaptation is unachievable
Crisis of the entire neurotic way of being
Example Experiences:
"No matter how hard I try, I'll never be good enough"
"The rules contradict each other - it's impossible to be right"
"I'm going to break down/go crazy/lose control"
"Everything I do makes things worse"
This crisis can lead to:
Acceptance of imperfection
Movement toward perverse structure's relationship with rules/morality
New ways of dealing with lack/desire
More flexible relationship with social norms
The anxiety here isn't just worry about specific things, but a fundamental crisis of the Neurotic's entire way of managing existence through rules, repression, and social adaptation.
This crisis phase often involves:
Panic attacks
Overwhelming physical symptoms
Sense of impending doom
Feeling of losing control
Crisis of identity and purpose
It represents the exhaustion of neurotic coping mechanisms and potentially opens the way for new forms of adaptation in the Perverse structure.
Preliminal Perversion: Dependent
Core Characteristics:
First encounter with jouissance as fundamental experience
Beginning to develop disavowal as defense mechanism
Emerging from neurotic anxiety crisis
Dependent on external support/substances to cope with being "bad"
Initial breaking of neurotic rules/morality
Starting to recognize contradictions in reality
Key Manifestations:
Strong need for support from others
May develop addictive behaviors
Seeking permission to break rules
Difficulty making independent decisions
Looking for others to validate "bad" behavior
Pattern of leaning on external resources
Relationship Patterns:
"Please help me, I know it's bad"
Needs others to enable/justify actions
May form codependent relationships
Seeks authority figures who permit rule-breaking
Often attaches to stronger personalities
Difficulty being alone with decisions
Development of Disavowal:
Beginning to see contradictions in reality
Learning to hold opposing truths
Starting to question absolute rules
But still needs external support to maintain this
Not yet skilled at managing contradictions independently
May flip-flop between positions
Example Experiences:
"I know I shouldn't, but with your help..."
"Please tell me it's okay to do this"
"I can't handle this alone"
"Help me be bad"
Use of substances/relationships to cope with breaking neurotic rules
This phase represents:
Initial encounter with perverse structure's way of being
Learning to break free from neurotic constraints
Beginning to develop more complex relationship with rules/morality
But still dependent on external support
Foundation for later perverse development
Different from Prior Structures:
Not about avoiding reality (Detached)
Not about special meaning (Psychotic)
Not about being good (Neurotic)
But about permission to transgress while acknowledging rules
Liminal Perversion: Fetishistic/Repentant
Fetishistic (Feminine):
Seeks to capture and collect enjoyment/experiences
Like a Pokemon collector seeking rare specimens
Develops different personas to achieve/experience more
"I want to have/be/experience more"
Focuses on adding "good" possibilities
Masters disavowal through accumulation of experiences
Creates new categories/ways of enjoying
More explorative and expansive
May appear pleasure-seeking or hedonistic
Skilled at finding new sources of enjoyment
Repentant (Masculine):
Focuses on acknowledging and taking responsibility
Looking back at past versions of self critically
Develops different personas to cover inadequacies
"I must own up to what I've done"
Focuses on cutting away "bad" parts
Masters disavowal through confession/atonement
Creates systems of redemption/improvement
More introspective and self-critical
May appear self-flagellating or harsh
Skilled at self-analysis and correction
Both share:
Sophisticated use of disavowal
Development of multiple personas
Complex relationship with enjoyment
Ability to hold contradictions
Understanding that rules exist but can be transcended
Movement beyond simple good/bad dichotomy
The complementarity emerges in how they handle jouissance:
Fetishistics through collecting and categorizing experiences
Repentants through acknowledging and processing past actions
Example situations:
A Fetishistic might collect experiences of breaking rules in different interesting ways
A Repentant might confess and analyze their rule-breaking in detail
Different from Prior Structure:
Can maintain awareness of contradictions
More complex relationship with rules
Ability to "become" different versions of self
Understanding of both transgression and limits
This liminal phase shows more sophisticated use of disavowal than the Dependent phase, but hasn't yet developed the more complex strategies seen in the Libertine/Fundamentalist postliminal phase.
Postliminal Perversion: Libertine/Fundamentalist
Libertine (Feminine):
"I don't want to work so hard anymore"
Tired of constant striving
Moves toward effortlessness and flow
Lets go of the need to prove/achieve
Masters doing things with minimal struggle
More interested in ease than perfection
May appear carefree or indulgent
Skilled at finding path of least resistance
Focuses on making things effortless
Can step back from intensity of effort
Acceptance of imperfection
Fundamentalist (Masculine):
"Things must be right, not just more"
Tired of constant accumulation
Masters doing things exactly right
More interested in correctness than quantity
May appear particular or exacting
Can maintain high standards without strain
Acceptance of limitations
Both share:
Mastery of disavowal
Movement beyond earlier perverse struggles
Complex understanding of rules/limits
Ability to hold contradictions comfortably
Sophisticated relationship with enjoyment
Integration of different personas
The complementarity emerges in how they achieve mastery:
Libertines through making things effortless
Fundamentalists through making things correct
Example situations:
A Libertine might perfect their hairstyle until it becomes effortless
A Fundamentalist might perfect their hairstyle until it's exactly right
Path to Crisis (Jouissance):
Libertine: Things become so effortless they can begin to enjoy more
Fundamentalist: Getting things right becomes increasingly effortless
This postliminal phase represents the most sophisticated manifestation of perverse structure, with full development of disavowal and complex strategies for managing jouissance. Unlike earlier phases, they're not struggling with effort or correctness but have learned to achieve both with grace.
Crisis Perversion: Jouissance
Core Characteristics:
Culmination of perverse enjoyment/pleasure
Disavowal starts to break down
Overwhelming experience of enjoyment
Like grief or heartbreak, but also pleasure
Building tension without release
Physical sensation in the body
Tingly feeling that becomes almost unbearable
Key Manifestations:
Different from earlier structures' crises:
Not derealization (Detached)
Not meaninglessness (Psychotic)
Not anxiety about being good (Neurotic)
But overwhelming intensity of experience itself
Experience of Jouissance:
Similar to orgasm metaphor:
Builds and builds
Needs release but can't find it
Becomes painful if too intense
Requires surrender to experience fully
Both pleasure and pain simultaneously
Too much to contain or control
Body-based rather than purely mental
Can't be fully processed or understood
Relationship to Disavowal:
Disavowal no longer effectively manages the experience
Can't maintain distance from intensity
Unable to hold contradictions apart
Everything comes together overwhelming
Like trying to hold back a flood
Path Through Crisis:
Must learn to surrender control
Let go of self-consciousness
Allow release without managing it
Accept being overtaken by experience
Move beyond perverse structure's mechanisms
Example Experiences:
"It's too much but I can't stop it"
"I feel like I'm going to explode"
"Everything is intense and overwhelming"
"I can't hold myself together anymore"
Physical symptoms like tingling, pressure, tension
This crisis represents:
Ultimate failure of disavowal as defense
Potential bridge to Seminal structure
Need for new way of being with experience
Movement beyond perverse management of pleasure/pain
The jouissance here isn't just pleasure or pain, but a fundamental crisis of the Perverse's entire way of managing experience through disavowal and control. It forces a surrender that can lead to transformation.
Seminal structure
The framework is more limited with respect to the Seminal structure after Perversion, but here is Claude’s description:
Transition from Perverse to Seminal:
Movement beyond managing contradictions
Death of the Big Other as authority/audience
Emergence of true faith/conviction
No longer speaking to prove/perform
Words become carefully chosen, meaningful
Focus on specific purpose/calling
Like the prodigal son returning home
Key Characteristics:
No longer seeking validation from Big Other
Speaking directly to others with purpose
Focused on concrete goals for greater good
Less concerned with personal enjoyment/correctness
More interested in service/contribution
Deep commitment to chosen path
Changes in Experience:
Moving beyond perverse enjoyment
Finding meaning in dedication to purpose
Less self-conscious, more mission-focused
Speaking truth without needing to prove it
Acting from conviction rather than rules or desire
Like medieval courtliness/propriety
Example Manifestations:
Mr. Rogers' consistent "expression of care"
Bernie Sanders' focused message on inequality
Medieval Christian mystics' direct relationship with divine
Carefully chosen repeated phrases
Speaking to specific individuals rather than audience
Focus on concrete action over theory/discussion
Different from Perverse Structure:
Not managing contradictions
Not seeking enjoyment
Not performing for others
But direct action from conviction
Simple, clear purpose
Dedication to specific calling
There you have it. This has been a fascinating way of viewing myself and others for the past couple years, and has brought a sense of peace & grace towards myself, by virtue of calibrating expectations towards myself with respect to my current stage of development. Maybe it can for you as well!
If any Lacanians read this, I’d be curious to know what you think.
This theory is not mine but is built upon Lacan’s work by @TiffaniNWarren.
Also check out this thread about how people of different structures might respond differently to the same situation, via the Big Other.
I've been thinking a lot about this lately as I've initiated a lot of changes in my life and am just now experiencing the fallout. Some days I feel I view the world differently, and some days I'm just convinced that life is really hard and pointless. Thanks for giving me another way to measure my progress.
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